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March 21, 2011

Skeptical View of Libyan Intervention

Filed under: Soapbox — Tags: , , , , — paragardener @ 11:35 pm

You can’t help but feel sympathy for the Libyan rebels. Gaddhafi or whatever he is spelled this month is a total jerk and not even China or Russia would stand up at the Security Council to call the dogs off him. Sending the military in with deadly force against protesters is pretty widely frowned upon, and Gadhaffi rightly hated.

Is the coalition attacking Khadhafi’s forces in order to protect civilians, or what? Such an operation would go against the entire history of nations. We should look for a blander and more conniving purpose behind the coalition bombing of Libyan government forces. As a conservative first guess, I think they are trying to secure a favorable oil agreement for Europe / the world market.

The mission began as a no-fly zone, to protect Libyan civilians from government planes and missiles. Before it started, it expanded to a no-drive zone, meaning convoys of tanks, etc. were legit targets. By the time coalition forces actually started shooting, Kaddafi’s command and control facilities were targeted as well. The Teevee News informs me that no “boots” are on the ground — no military staff — but intelligence and contractors -might- be there.

My instinct is that the international community is fighting Libya’s government in order to depose the despised Khadaffi and obtain a more favorable, stable oil concession. This particularly flows to Europe — Britain and France? Blowing up Kadaffi’s forces is only half the battle – the other shoe drops when intelligence forces coronate the favored rebel faction to manage oil sales.

Questions to test my view:

*Who buys the Libyan oil? (not a crucial question as oil is traded in a world market)

*Does anyone know who the international intelligence forces in Libya are / what countries they swear allegiance to? Maybe there are leaks?

*Who is investing the most planes and missiles?

*What are elites saying in elite doubletalk code?

*Who are the rebels and what are the rifts between them? Who does the media favor?



  1. Been thinking along the same lines. I understand that Libya’s oil production is but a very small percentage of world oil supplies, but as supplies dwindle, every little bit counts … I guess citizens of the world powers don’t care if we’re dropping bombs as long as none of our citizenry is fighting on the ground. Death from above is quite acceptable.

    Nobody decent can shed tears for Quaddafi, but like you, I just have to wonder about the real agenda.

    Comment by estraven — March 22, 2011 @ 12:32 am

  2. I believe Europe buys most of Libya’s oil, which might be why they’re trying to scale back the US role in favor of France and other NATO countries. Italy receives about 20-25% of their crude from Libya and I would expect that their GDP is taking a hit right now, and that affects the whole EU because if Italy goes, the Euro cannot survive in its current form.

    Re: intelligence, it doesn’t seem like the West really controls Libya. Mossad blew up a night club in Berlin in the 80s and framed Libya, causing Reagan to bomb Tripoli, killing one of Qaddafi’s daughters. The Lockerbie bombing also appears to be false-flag and more likely a CIA / MI-6 / Mossad operation blamed on Libyans, which might be partly why they let one of the bombers go back to Libya early (much to the outrage of the UK public). You would think this would mean there is no Western-Qaddafi intelligence link. But in more recent times, Tony Blair was a cheerleader for Qaddafi and was seen as “bringing Qaddafi into the fold,” which they presumably saw as desirable for oil supply reasons. If they did let the Lockerbie bomber go early as a gesture of good faith toward Qaddafi then maybe there was some rapprochement between the Libyan / Western spooks.

    So far I think the US still has the most planes and missiles involved, because we just have so many more goddamn planes and missiles than anybody else. But Sarkozy seems incredibly anti-Libya and there is a group in Libya (pro-Qaddafi) claiming that they gave money to help get Sarkozy elected and that they have the proof. That could be interesting.

    My understanding is that the rebels are a bunch of different tribes, united only by their hatred for Qaddafi. Which means that as soon as Qaddafi is gone the vicious in-fighting begins, and maybe the oil fields just go up in smoke and are lost for good. I have to figure that the West wants “regime change” Western-style, like they tried and are trying in Egypt. Not Qaddafi and not endless civil war but some other strong man.

    Another important point: Libya has gold. Not (like, say, Germany) theoretical gold in a vault in New York, but 145 tons of gold in the Libyan central bank vaults in Tripoli. Certain Western institutions (central banks and massive commercial banks) are desperately short on gold, and have in fact promised gold which they do not have to others. It could be a factor. It’s potentially one of the reasons we went into Iraq, and spent so many resources securing the central bank in Baghdad. Libya is in the top 20 nations for gold holdings, I believe.

    Comment by freelearner — March 25, 2011 @ 2:15 am

  3. I figured oil was a cause of the military action, but hadn’t even thought of gold. Truly chilling.

    Comment by cindy — March 25, 2011 @ 8:12 pm

  4. Apparently, Italy, Britain and France have been the major backers of Qaddafi-as-puppet, having sold him most of his weaponry. I wonder if Britain isn’t tapping our help to fight -their- war after loyally providing “coalition” support for -our- wars. Imperialists have to stick together!

    There is also the matter of “regional stability”… stopping the slaughter of civilians and supporting the Libyan rebels suggests that NATO countries are on the side of democracy against tyranny, which maybe will kind of damp down Arab anger at our role in propping up assholes like Mubarak and Qaddafi!

    Comment by paragardener — April 8, 2011 @ 10:25 pm

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